What is flashing for flat Colorbond roof?

[moe88]

hi all

I got a roofer to fix my garage roof and i am not sure if he did everything he meant to.

In the quote it says 

"Removal of all sheeting and flashings" and "Supply and install custom flashings"

I attach the photo of the finished work.

From what I research the flashing includes the part which is fixed into the brick to lead the water to the sheets and I circled around it in the photo. But the roofer has not changed it and claims this is not the flashing he meant and this part is not included in the quote.

Could someone please let me know if i am wrong here?

 

 

 

[moe88]

Hello Again guys

@Nailbag @Dave-1 @JacobZ 

I know this might be out of the scope of this post but idk where else to ask this question.

I asked the roofer to give me an itemised quote because I wanted to know the cost of the materials and what material to use; because i wanna try do the same work on my friend's garage.

After a long conversation and receiving  multiple not itemised quotes with different numbers, the roofer sent me the following photo which still I can't look up the items online.

Could you please tell me if in your opinion this invoice seems fair? Now I feel the prices of sheet and flashing are hyped but i might be wrong.

I should have done this due diligence before accepting the quote but the initial quote was a lump sum and was similar to other two roofers quotes so i did not question it much, which is my loss.

It is a 3 by 6 meter garage 

 

 

 

 

[Dave-1]

Morning @moe88 

Some people supply itemised lists, some dont. My Carpenter /builder mate generally hasnt. The thing is he has got me to buy the consumables, its eye opening when you start going through EVERYTHING that gets used and thats without the tools they have bought and the knowledge they have acquired.

I generally expect the labour to be high, at least 3 times the material cost is a rough workout I have found. I am paying for their skill, knowledge and experience. I also figure that the builders will add an adjustment to items if they purchase them. I really try hard not to look back at a price and figure it out Its scary and we have been happy enough with the price before we started the project. The hours the installer has spent in picking up the gear, getting it to your place and then the actual job and tidy up all rack up. I am just describing things we dont generally think of as a customer and have had plenty of chats with carpenters and plumbers I know over the topic

Thats the long answer

Short answer is "The job is done (maybe not perfect) but done, you have learnt a few terms and yep you could actually go through and quote your friends garage from the information you have learned. It would be an interesting project to compare the both cost wise I have found that even when I "know" how things are done having someone with the actuall experience doing the work, well much faster to say the least and no mistakes

The overall price for what has been done dosnt sound unreasonable, the breakdown as they have supplied is "lifts hands" its hard to hard to judge as we arnt on site

Dave

[Nailbag]

Hi @moe88 

There will be a fair amount of fluff in the quote as most trades tend to make money on materials and the fact most customers have no idea on actual cost. Anything steel related will always be very expensive. A mate of mine does exposed-agg driveways and was just telling me that the price of the mesh had gone up 3 times in 12mths. He's also a bit on an anomaly as he gives his customer estimates on the materials and where to pay up front for them. He then orders the materials as needed. So you're only paying him for his labour and no markup on materials. At my last house I was quoted $18-$20K by several converters. My mate's estimate was $14K with the only firm price was his labour. In the end is only me $12K! 

Bottom line is that the only way to know for sure is go price up the materials yourself. And for labour, divide number of people by the hours works for the hourly rate. Their rate varies depending on their qualifications. You also have to factor in the runnings around they do to get the materials.

Nailbag

[moe88]

Hello Again guys

@Nailbag @Dave-1 @JacobZ 

Thanks again for you responses regarding my case in the past.

Update: The roof continued with leaks and after fighting with the roofer for months and multiple failed attempts by him for the fix, he came to install new flashings.

Seeing the final work, I noticed below items which I appreciate your input:

• Isn't the flashing meant to continue all the way and pass the gutter box (similar to the old flashing)?
  • The left and the right side are following a different method as I marked. Are they following the standards?

• I see this big hole (size of a $1 coin) from the inside which is filled with silicon from the outside, isn't it concerning?.

• Generally speaking, are there too much silicon and a messy final work or this is normal?
• Isn't the final work relying too much on silicon; rather than overlapping the sheets and flashings? 

[EricL]

Hello @moe88 

In regards to repairs made to your roof, I was wondering the same thing about the flashing and why it was cut in that particular fashion. I suspect that the roof installer must have been following standards as well, they must have had a reason to do it in this particular fashion. The excessive use of silicone is a bit of a worry; I get the feeling that they are compensating for the lack flashing and have decided to use silicone to solve that shortfall. But then again perhaps they are just overprotecting the edges to prevent any possible leaks.

Let me tag @Dave-1, @AlanM52 and @Remarka6le for their recommendations.

If you need further assistance, please let us know.

Eric

[Dave-1]

Good Evening @moe88 

Its a hard call about why they have done the cutting/stepping of the flashing. I suspect there is a reason, maybe so the flashing cannot be seen from the ground? But something logical as I think it would require extra work to shape it like so.

Excess silastic... Its not the greatest job I admit. However maybe they went hard on it to reduce to chance of leaking. If there has been back and fourth discussion maybe they just want to make sure its done so used more then needed?

The 1 dollar sized hole in the corner. Mmm  Another more silastic is better for a suspect leak point? 

The last question I have, How much of the bad silastic-ing can be seen from the ground? 

Dave

[moe88]

Thanks Dave

I suspect the reason is as simple as being short on their measurements, seeing their history of work. The old flashing was coming all the way and passing the gutter box.

Im just worried that instead of flashing being the cover, now there is only silicon as the barrier. And that was one of  the point where there used to be a leak.

-Yes there has been many attempts but not the right fix, fingers crossed for this time.

- not sure what is the 2nd question. I need to test and run water to see if it passes, which believe it will leak

-nothing is visible from the ground.